jchan
02-25 12:37 PM
I think desi3933 is right -- that one cannot file AOS without PD being current. However, this does not mean we should give up pursuing our goal. The secretary of DHS specially made it clear that she is willing to push for changes both regulatory AND legislative. But before putting in any effort, she will need to know what changes to push for. She even specifically mentioned the issue with pre-application of AOS, which seems to me a real good chance to get the message delivered.
Just for starters, here are the benefits I can think of about pre-filing of AOS:
- By having all applications on file, let USCIS better predict case load and allow DOS Visa Office to make informed decision on Cutoff Date movements
- Create more revenue for USICS (DHS) via AP and EAD applications
- Reduce the work load of Overseas Consulates when applicants with AP does not have to apply re-entry H1B visa.
- Many H1B visa holders have to go through the administrative procedure when applying re-entry visa. This process is more or less a duplicate with the background check required for green card application. When the applicant is allowed to travel with AP, the effort of background check is consolidated and allow resources to be better utilized.
- EAD allows applicants more freedom to change job, this will results in better resource distribution to accommodate the rapid changes of the economy, and it makes the market the most important factor to determine wages.
Please add whatever you feel missing to the points and maybe we'll come up with a formal letter to communicate to the secretary.
Last, to address the concern that USCIS may be flooded by AOS applications from freshly off-the-boat H1B's, restrictions need to be put on the qualification of AOS. What I could think of is:
- Must have approved I-140 (immigration visa. I think this restriction makes the most sense)
- Must have priority date older than a certain number of years
- Must have been in the US legally for five years
- etc.
Read again
(3) an immigrant visa is immediately available to him at the time his application is filed.
Explanation - At the time when the application (i.e. I-485) is filed by applicant, an immigrant visa is immediately available (i.e. PD is current).
If you still have doubt, talk to your attorney and post here what he/she told you.
Have a good day!
______________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
Just for starters, here are the benefits I can think of about pre-filing of AOS:
- By having all applications on file, let USCIS better predict case load and allow DOS Visa Office to make informed decision on Cutoff Date movements
- Create more revenue for USICS (DHS) via AP and EAD applications
- Reduce the work load of Overseas Consulates when applicants with AP does not have to apply re-entry H1B visa.
- Many H1B visa holders have to go through the administrative procedure when applying re-entry visa. This process is more or less a duplicate with the background check required for green card application. When the applicant is allowed to travel with AP, the effort of background check is consolidated and allow resources to be better utilized.
- EAD allows applicants more freedom to change job, this will results in better resource distribution to accommodate the rapid changes of the economy, and it makes the market the most important factor to determine wages.
Please add whatever you feel missing to the points and maybe we'll come up with a formal letter to communicate to the secretary.
Last, to address the concern that USCIS may be flooded by AOS applications from freshly off-the-boat H1B's, restrictions need to be put on the qualification of AOS. What I could think of is:
- Must have approved I-140 (immigration visa. I think this restriction makes the most sense)
- Must have priority date older than a certain number of years
- Must have been in the US legally for five years
- etc.
Read again
(3) an immigrant visa is immediately available to him at the time his application is filed.
Explanation - At the time when the application (i.e. I-485) is filed by applicant, an immigrant visa is immediately available (i.e. PD is current).
If you still have doubt, talk to your attorney and post here what he/she told you.
Have a good day!
______________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
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All,
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
###
Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
###
Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
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chanduv23
12-01 09:02 AM
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sunny1000
09-21 11:14 PM
I didn't attended because recently I had a new boss and he was monitoring my daily schedule and being in H1b and coming so close to filing I-485, I was just waiting for my EAD or I-485 cheques to get encashed. On 21st Sep, they got encashed. Now I am bold enough to take a day or two as vacation and attend rally if organized in eastern part.
I did paid 50% travel cost to one of our member from CA.
Sorry for not attending this time, will do it next time.
hello all, could not attend due to work schedule and a baby due any minute!! but am contibuting monthly and sponsored a student from houston. way to go iv amazing effort!!!
I was 100% determined in the beginning to attend the rally, but could not for the following reasons.
1> I was in Dallas and family in SoCal for last 9 months(from Dec 2006 to be precise). I used to meet my family every other weekend. Was trying very hard to find a project in Socal, and finally I got one where joining date was Spet 13th. I could not dare to ask for leave in the very first week. To tell you the truth it took so long b'cos of H1 status, everybody wants me to transfer my H1 or they are looking only for GC/EAD holders. Hoping to get EAD soon.
2> My husband was planning to attend but somewhere in Aug last week we got FP notices and date is Sept 18th. The FP letter clearly mentioned that postponing might cause delays so we decided that he also has to drop the idea.
Of course we contributed towards the rally.
I am very proud to be part of such excellent grass root organization and now since I am in Irvine I can be active in Socal chapter.
Also we are eager to join in the next rally and have total faith in IV leadership
IN WHATEVER YOU DO DO IT WITH YOUR HEART - FOLLOW YOUR HEART
ANYTHING THAT IS DONE FROM THE HEART WILL PRODUCE RESULTS.
ONE MEMBER I KNOW FROM NY CHAPTER IS IN PATHETIC SITUATION - JUST GOT LAYED OFF, HIS COMPANY REVOKED HIS i 140 AND HE IS BACK TO SQUARE 1 ON GC PROCESS AFTER 5 YEARS, HE HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR JOBS ON A WAR FOOTING BASIS AND AT THE SAME TIME CAME TO ALL NY CHAPTER MEETINGS AND DISTRIBUTED FLYERS, ALSO HOPPED ONTO THE BUS AND ATTENDED THE RALLY. HE IS A REAL HERO AND I AM SURE SOMETHING EXCELLENT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM
NONE OF THE EXCUSES HERE SEEM GENUINE EXCEPT THOSE IN WEST COAST WHERE IT IS DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL
Above excuses seem perfectly genuine to me. I had a court hearing myself. I applaud your friend's sincerity in attending the rally and I also applaud everyone who attended for that matter. But, IMHO, you were too quick to judge/question other people's genuineness.
I did paid 50% travel cost to one of our member from CA.
Sorry for not attending this time, will do it next time.
hello all, could not attend due to work schedule and a baby due any minute!! but am contibuting monthly and sponsored a student from houston. way to go iv amazing effort!!!
I was 100% determined in the beginning to attend the rally, but could not for the following reasons.
1> I was in Dallas and family in SoCal for last 9 months(from Dec 2006 to be precise). I used to meet my family every other weekend. Was trying very hard to find a project in Socal, and finally I got one where joining date was Spet 13th. I could not dare to ask for leave in the very first week. To tell you the truth it took so long b'cos of H1 status, everybody wants me to transfer my H1 or they are looking only for GC/EAD holders. Hoping to get EAD soon.
2> My husband was planning to attend but somewhere in Aug last week we got FP notices and date is Sept 18th. The FP letter clearly mentioned that postponing might cause delays so we decided that he also has to drop the idea.
Of course we contributed towards the rally.
I am very proud to be part of such excellent grass root organization and now since I am in Irvine I can be active in Socal chapter.
Also we are eager to join in the next rally and have total faith in IV leadership
IN WHATEVER YOU DO DO IT WITH YOUR HEART - FOLLOW YOUR HEART
ANYTHING THAT IS DONE FROM THE HEART WILL PRODUCE RESULTS.
ONE MEMBER I KNOW FROM NY CHAPTER IS IN PATHETIC SITUATION - JUST GOT LAYED OFF, HIS COMPANY REVOKED HIS i 140 AND HE IS BACK TO SQUARE 1 ON GC PROCESS AFTER 5 YEARS, HE HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR JOBS ON A WAR FOOTING BASIS AND AT THE SAME TIME CAME TO ALL NY CHAPTER MEETINGS AND DISTRIBUTED FLYERS, ALSO HOPPED ONTO THE BUS AND ATTENDED THE RALLY. HE IS A REAL HERO AND I AM SURE SOMETHING EXCELLENT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM
NONE OF THE EXCUSES HERE SEEM GENUINE EXCEPT THOSE IN WEST COAST WHERE IT IS DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL
Above excuses seem perfectly genuine to me. I had a court hearing myself. I applaud your friend's sincerity in attending the rally and I also applaud everyone who attended for that matter. But, IMHO, you were too quick to judge/question other people's genuineness.
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vaishnavilakshmi
07-09 08:51 PM
I saw an Online case for I765 which has a receipt notice of 07/02..... If CIS accepting 07/02 cases? This is not my case.
Receipt Number: SRC072105xxxx
Application Type: I765, APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION
Current Status: Case received and pending.
On July 2, 2007, we received this I765 APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION, and mailed you a notice describing how we will process your case. Please follow any instructions on this notice. We will notify you by mail when we make a decision or if we need something from you. If you move while this case is pending, call customer service. We
Hi sandiboy,
The reciept of i-765 on 2nd july 2007,would have been for i-485s filed earlier when there dates were current.This is what i personally think on this!
vaishu
Receipt Number: SRC072105xxxx
Application Type: I765, APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION
Current Status: Case received and pending.
On July 2, 2007, we received this I765 APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION, and mailed you a notice describing how we will process your case. Please follow any instructions on this notice. We will notify you by mail when we make a decision or if we need something from you. If you move while this case is pending, call customer service. We
Hi sandiboy,
The reciept of i-765 on 2nd july 2007,would have been for i-485s filed earlier when there dates were current.This is what i personally think on this!
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alterego
03-23 06:55 PM
I disagree that this is a plan at the government level to make EB immigration on par with family based immigration.
Diversity is a cornerstone of the US immigration policy. It is present in both the main types of US immigration. You can argue about its merits and demerits, however when major immigration reform was debated and legislated in the 60s, diversity was set as a basis. The Diversity visa lottery speaks to this.
The H1b visa(with its absent country quotas), has now come into collision with an EB system which has these quotas. That is why we are seeing this mess.
Diversity is a cornerstone of the US immigration policy. It is present in both the main types of US immigration. You can argue about its merits and demerits, however when major immigration reform was debated and legislated in the 60s, diversity was set as a basis. The Diversity visa lottery speaks to this.
The H1b visa(with its absent country quotas), has now come into collision with an EB system which has these quotas. That is why we are seeing this mess.
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03-28 03:52 PM
I never asked anyone send the check to my personal account....and no one is donating the money
based on my reputation or profile information.
OK.. what is your PD?
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mundada
01-12 09:48 AM
Here we go again!
It can be shown that per country quota leads to (unintended) discrimation at employment and hence the GC per country quota is illegal.
Employment based GC per country quota => A very long wait (eg. more than 3 years) in same or similar job position for people born in only few countries => Hinderance to career growth because one cannot advance from engineer to managerial position even though he/she is qualified for the promotions while his colleagues from other countries can => Person from an oversubscribed countries such as India does not have equal opportunity to career advancement because of a very long wait time difference between people born in these 2 or 3 countries and people from all of the other countries.
Key Point: Equal opportunity employement advancement is protected by "Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII)" and hence the Supreme Court can overturn the per country quota limitation if the Supreme Court finds that the per country quota leads to discrimination at employment.
National Origin Discrimination & Work Situations:
The law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, and any other term or condition of employment.
National Origin Discrimination (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm)
Someone with more than 3 years of wait and still in same or similar job description should definitely be able to file a lawsuit against the US Government and claim compensation for the lost opportunities.
It can be shown that per country quota leads to (unintended) discrimation at employment and hence the GC per country quota is illegal.
Employment based GC per country quota => A very long wait (eg. more than 3 years) in same or similar job position for people born in only few countries => Hinderance to career growth because one cannot advance from engineer to managerial position even though he/she is qualified for the promotions while his colleagues from other countries can => Person from an oversubscribed countries such as India does not have equal opportunity to career advancement because of a very long wait time difference between people born in these 2 or 3 countries and people from all of the other countries.
Key Point: Equal opportunity employement advancement is protected by "Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII)" and hence the Supreme Court can overturn the per country quota limitation if the Supreme Court finds that the per country quota leads to discrimination at employment.
National Origin Discrimination & Work Situations:
The law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, and any other term or condition of employment.
National Origin Discrimination (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm)
Someone with more than 3 years of wait and still in same or similar job description should definitely be able to file a lawsuit against the US Government and claim compensation for the lost opportunities.
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gunabcd
07-17 10:52 PM
I am aganist amnesty to these illegal posters who post offensive messages.
We are here legally. We follow all the rules, contribute. :)
With you buddy, if they are getting benefit that easily or they getting in our way. i have no problem if illegals get GC if they pay back-taxes equal to the average amount paid by legals + fine for breaking law and stand in the line behind us.
We are here legally. We follow all the rules, contribute. :)
With you buddy, if they are getting benefit that easily or they getting in our way. i have no problem if illegals get GC if they pay back-taxes equal to the average amount paid by legals + fine for breaking law and stand in the line behind us.
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07-09 12:33 PM
Guys,
Anybody know when skill bill is going to be taken for voting?:confused:
Anybody know when skill bill is going to be taken for voting?:confused:
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09-11 03:40 PM
Are you EB3? Your wait just got much longer! (October visa bulletin), what better reason to change your mind and come to DC????
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I totally understand the push from IV to encourage state chapters and build grassroots strength to this movement.
Join the state chapter : IV does not have a state chapter in the state I live in - Nebraska,: So I thought I would start one and wrote to IV ...after initial response from IV , there has been no progress .
Start contributing: I have already contributed $100 and will contribute further as and when I can.
Volunteer for IV: Volunteered to start the state chapter.
Well I have done my bit so hopefully I will not be disparaged for making comments on this issue,
You must promote your state chapter by starting a thread and keeping it alive so those visiting the forums will know. (most people only look at latest threads)
Where is the link to your state chapter in your signature?
Join the state chapter : IV does not have a state chapter in the state I live in - Nebraska,: So I thought I would start one and wrote to IV ...after initial response from IV , there has been no progress .
Start contributing: I have already contributed $100 and will contribute further as and when I can.
Volunteer for IV: Volunteered to start the state chapter.
Well I have done my bit so hopefully I will not be disparaged for making comments on this issue,
You must promote your state chapter by starting a thread and keeping it alive so those visiting the forums will know. (most people only look at latest threads)
Where is the link to your state chapter in your signature?
neoklaus
02-07 11:43 PM
If you extend the deadline anymore, you should change the name to either
The Honorable Barack Obama :mad::mad: or
The Honorable Hillary Clinton :mad::mad:
Every joke has got a part of ...joke.
I was thinking about sending letters (not exactly as to WH but about legal immigrants issues) along with contributions for their campaign to the above named persons.
The Honorable Barack Obama :mad::mad: or
The Honorable Hillary Clinton :mad::mad:
Every joke has got a part of ...joke.
I was thinking about sending letters (not exactly as to WH but about legal immigrants issues) along with contributions for their campaign to the above named persons.
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