MDix
02-25 02:42 PM
I think dates won't (and should not ) move much. So at the end of year we can see big jump and then may be people like me can file I-1485.
Thank's
MDix
Thank's
MDix
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NKR
04-02 08:57 PM
U r a senior member and asking this question? Anyways...here's some of the points I think that are candidates for Red/Green:
Candidates for Red:
1. Using third class language
2. Unnecessary and stupid arguments
3. Narrow minded comments
4. Immature thinking
Candidates for Green:
1. Valid and logical thought process
2. No foul language whatsoever
3. Politeness
4. Likable comments
What's hyappening with ssnd's comments is...instead of getting red for all of his filthy comments, somebody is giving him green. God bless IV.
Dude, I asked where do you go and rate the post. No wonder ssnd calls you dumb.
Candidates for Red:
1. Using third class language
2. Unnecessary and stupid arguments
3. Narrow minded comments
4. Immature thinking
Candidates for Green:
1. Valid and logical thought process
2. No foul language whatsoever
3. Politeness
4. Likable comments
What's hyappening with ssnd's comments is...instead of getting red for all of his filthy comments, somebody is giving him green. God bless IV.
Dude, I asked where do you go and rate the post. No wonder ssnd calls you dumb.
lkrastogi
03-17 09:18 PM
Guys,
The H1B holder is ELIGIBLE for the stimulus package since he/she has SSN. He won't be able to claim the benefit for spouse if the spouse does not have SSN.
So just because spouse does not have SSN does not mean that the H1B holder becomes ineligible to receive the benefit. H1B will get $600 for himself/herself as long as he/she has filed IT returns.
Thanks
Not if you file a joint return
The H1B holder is ELIGIBLE for the stimulus package since he/she has SSN. He won't be able to claim the benefit for spouse if the spouse does not have SSN.
So just because spouse does not have SSN does not mean that the H1B holder becomes ineligible to receive the benefit. H1B will get $600 for himself/herself as long as he/she has filed IT returns.
Thanks
Not if you file a joint return
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newbee7
07-06 06:45 AM
Please digg
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Also, please digg and add comments.
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jgh_res
10-01 06:14 AM
First in First out is always the best option. Unfortunately that is not happening. In this scenario you should be happy that lot of people are getting green cards as the number of people in the line before you gets reduced and the visa numbers are not wasted. As some body said "Life is not fair".
The sad part is that some applicants who missed the boat called BEC with PD of around June 2004 on EB3/India got approved in June end/July time frame. I did see this on some forums external to IV.
I think there may be candidates from 2001/2002/2003 who may have applied in June/July 07. But if the rumors of NSC processing RD wise (as seen on some forum posts outside IV), then it is unfair to these people, because there may be others who missed the BEC boat and are ahead of these folks coming out of BEC.
The sad part is that some applicants who missed the boat called BEC with PD of around June 2004 on EB3/India got approved in June end/July time frame. I did see this on some forums external to IV.
I think there may be candidates from 2001/2002/2003 who may have applied in June/July 07. But if the rumors of NSC processing RD wise (as seen on some forum posts outside IV), then it is unfair to these people, because there may be others who missed the BEC boat and are ahead of these folks coming out of BEC.
reddymjm
09-02 04:43 PM
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EndlessWait
07-06 01:53 PM
I think you sent your application after july 2...:D
haha very funny..:cool:
haha very funny..:cool:
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bombay
02-08 10:07 PM
Hi,
I been a member of IV for a long time and just to keep myself anonymous for a while I created this account. I am so sorry for opening a thread in a completely irrelevant forum but I have no idea what to do. So, I request all the members to please help me by providing some kind of information.
Here is my story:
I came to US in 2002 and completed masters and been working since then. I got married couple of years ago. Whatever the monetary gifts the girls parents gave as part of the marriage, I put all that in an account on the girls name within 2 days of the marriage. We came to India and from then on the problems started. She and her parents want me to separate from my parents and support their family by sending money to their parents which I couldn't do. How can I leave my parents in their old age when they worked very hard to give a decent life. She has been harassing me mentally for this all the time. Recently her parents have been threatening me saying they will file dowry case in India if I don't send money or cut myself off from my parents. I provided for the girl in all possible ways, even encouraged her to join school to get a masters degree which she stopped soon. We had a baby recently and my parents visited us to help us with the baby. She started harassing them too by saying something or other.
I am very frustrated at this situation and I don't know what to do. I am on H1B and applied for 485 too. At times I feel like applying for divorce but when I think about my little baby I am not able to take that step. The house we currently live in, I bought long before the marriage. It came to a situation where we cannot live together. I cannot ask her to go out of the house because she doesn't have anywhere to go and with the baby even if she leaves, it will be very tough. I said I will leave the house and stay in a apartment for which she threatens to commit suicide. So, I don't know what to do. I am worried about my baby because between all this my baby's life will be spoiled and I don't want that. Can anyone please tell me what I can do in this matter?
Thank you very much for taking time to read this.
I am in the same boat as yours. Let me tell you my story and my ways. I hope you may get some idea but it does not mean you can do the same.
I am a hard working guy, IIT bombay and came to US on 2002( H1B). Prior to that i have a self start business with employees working in India.
The company where i am working was giving me a tough time with deadlines and i used to work 110 hours every week. I managed to get 1 month vacation in december and start searching for someone from shaadi.com. I had a list of 10 girls born in india(nurse, GC holders) so i started approaching each that i am going to india to get married The first few rejected me and one accepted and i have to book her tickets to india and do all the marriage expenses. The girls parents did not give a penny not purchased few dress for the girl to come and stay in my house for 3 days. My in laws demanded my parents that i should stay at their house for 7 days so i did. During the stay they pointed errors on me and the same thing happened when i came to US with my wife. I was tensed, started skipping lunch and working hard with couple of coffee. At last i was unable to concentrate on my work and used to get drowsy at work. Meantime when i stayed at her parents house they wanted the daughters to buy a house near to their house and after few years come back to india. Which i told a straight NO. After coming to US my wife send $34.5K to india to buy land as forced by her dad. and after one more year her dad asked for 10 lakhs more. Which she send to her dad. They had purchased a house in her brothers name at this point. From marriage till now, we don't have a common bank account, no same last name (its now 2 years after marriage)., I have no idea about her money nor her bank accounts nor credit cards. She has asked me for divorce 2 times, first time after 1 month and later after 3 months after mariage and last month her dad and her brother are asking for a divorce. Her brother send me one email that my side was asking dowry and second email that i am harrasing her. Her brother have send me a intelligent email that can be used against me for divorce or putting me behind bars.
What i understand from the issues,
1. If your in laws are uncultured. Whenever you talk use some bad words. No matter what happens.
2. If they ask you for divorce, tell that you are ready Lets do it today. download the divorce forms from the website and tell that you would gladly do whatever the court tells you to do. you will opt for joint custody of the baby and she has to pay you child compensation as per the laws of united states. (since you have spend more than 1 year in US so you can take divorce here).
3. If you have to send money to your parents send it. you are a guy and have to take care of your parents. Marriage does not have a meaning if both sides don't work at it and divorce is very common in US. If not today then tommorrow the day will come.
4. Be bold. don't make your weakness take control over you. If you think you want to move out to a appartment move out. If you think you want to come home and lock yourself in a room till next day do it.
5. Learn spouse abuse terms and battery types from the internet. Never do anything that will cross that line. My wife started threatingme about spouse abuse just one month after marriage. I started avoiding her totally. My famous dialogue I don't care.
6. Explain your wife, You know men are weak and i will do everything that is as per law. If we get into a divorce i will accept it and pay the child support or leave this country. What do you want? Make her feel that she is unsecured.
7. Be careful in laws can be bitches.
Bottomline :- If you get scared, you will ruin your life. the society won't respect you because you will soon gain a bad temper. Nor your wife will stay with you if you are a failure.
Anyway, I am married for 2 years, no kids. Not planning anyway for kids . I pray to god that i don't end up like you. The only positive thing is my wife is a GC holder and earns more than me.
I been a member of IV for a long time and just to keep myself anonymous for a while I created this account. I am so sorry for opening a thread in a completely irrelevant forum but I have no idea what to do. So, I request all the members to please help me by providing some kind of information.
Here is my story:
I came to US in 2002 and completed masters and been working since then. I got married couple of years ago. Whatever the monetary gifts the girls parents gave as part of the marriage, I put all that in an account on the girls name within 2 days of the marriage. We came to India and from then on the problems started. She and her parents want me to separate from my parents and support their family by sending money to their parents which I couldn't do. How can I leave my parents in their old age when they worked very hard to give a decent life. She has been harassing me mentally for this all the time. Recently her parents have been threatening me saying they will file dowry case in India if I don't send money or cut myself off from my parents. I provided for the girl in all possible ways, even encouraged her to join school to get a masters degree which she stopped soon. We had a baby recently and my parents visited us to help us with the baby. She started harassing them too by saying something or other.
I am very frustrated at this situation and I don't know what to do. I am on H1B and applied for 485 too. At times I feel like applying for divorce but when I think about my little baby I am not able to take that step. The house we currently live in, I bought long before the marriage. It came to a situation where we cannot live together. I cannot ask her to go out of the house because she doesn't have anywhere to go and with the baby even if she leaves, it will be very tough. I said I will leave the house and stay in a apartment for which she threatens to commit suicide. So, I don't know what to do. I am worried about my baby because between all this my baby's life will be spoiled and I don't want that. Can anyone please tell me what I can do in this matter?
Thank you very much for taking time to read this.
I am in the same boat as yours. Let me tell you my story and my ways. I hope you may get some idea but it does not mean you can do the same.
I am a hard working guy, IIT bombay and came to US on 2002( H1B). Prior to that i have a self start business with employees working in India.
The company where i am working was giving me a tough time with deadlines and i used to work 110 hours every week. I managed to get 1 month vacation in december and start searching for someone from shaadi.com. I had a list of 10 girls born in india(nurse, GC holders) so i started approaching each that i am going to india to get married The first few rejected me and one accepted and i have to book her tickets to india and do all the marriage expenses. The girls parents did not give a penny not purchased few dress for the girl to come and stay in my house for 3 days. My in laws demanded my parents that i should stay at their house for 7 days so i did. During the stay they pointed errors on me and the same thing happened when i came to US with my wife. I was tensed, started skipping lunch and working hard with couple of coffee. At last i was unable to concentrate on my work and used to get drowsy at work. Meantime when i stayed at her parents house they wanted the daughters to buy a house near to their house and after few years come back to india. Which i told a straight NO. After coming to US my wife send $34.5K to india to buy land as forced by her dad. and after one more year her dad asked for 10 lakhs more. Which she send to her dad. They had purchased a house in her brothers name at this point. From marriage till now, we don't have a common bank account, no same last name (its now 2 years after marriage)., I have no idea about her money nor her bank accounts nor credit cards. She has asked me for divorce 2 times, first time after 1 month and later after 3 months after mariage and last month her dad and her brother are asking for a divorce. Her brother send me one email that my side was asking dowry and second email that i am harrasing her. Her brother have send me a intelligent email that can be used against me for divorce or putting me behind bars.
What i understand from the issues,
1. If your in laws are uncultured. Whenever you talk use some bad words. No matter what happens.
2. If they ask you for divorce, tell that you are ready Lets do it today. download the divorce forms from the website and tell that you would gladly do whatever the court tells you to do. you will opt for joint custody of the baby and she has to pay you child compensation as per the laws of united states. (since you have spend more than 1 year in US so you can take divorce here).
3. If you have to send money to your parents send it. you are a guy and have to take care of your parents. Marriage does not have a meaning if both sides don't work at it and divorce is very common in US. If not today then tommorrow the day will come.
4. Be bold. don't make your weakness take control over you. If you think you want to move out to a appartment move out. If you think you want to come home and lock yourself in a room till next day do it.
5. Learn spouse abuse terms and battery types from the internet. Never do anything that will cross that line. My wife started threatingme about spouse abuse just one month after marriage. I started avoiding her totally. My famous dialogue I don't care.
6. Explain your wife, You know men are weak and i will do everything that is as per law. If we get into a divorce i will accept it and pay the child support or leave this country. What do you want? Make her feel that she is unsecured.
7. Be careful in laws can be bitches.
Bottomline :- If you get scared, you will ruin your life. the society won't respect you because you will soon gain a bad temper. Nor your wife will stay with you if you are a failure.
Anyway, I am married for 2 years, no kids. Not planning anyway for kids . I pray to god that i don't end up like you. The only positive thing is my wife is a GC holder and earns more than me.
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pa_arora
06-10 01:33 PM
That is the victory due to our admin fixes campaign. Your thousands of letters are working here.
We had received good feedback in our meetings with the administration.
The whole process of making final announcements is just too slow!!
We recently had another meeting to discuss one more admin fix item that has not been addressed yet and was part of our letters. Let us hope some decision comes out soon enough.
Pappu, then why no to plan for another letter campaign, if that is what making things work a little bit.
We had received good feedback in our meetings with the administration.
The whole process of making final announcements is just too slow!!
We recently had another meeting to discuss one more admin fix item that has not been addressed yet and was part of our letters. Let us hope some decision comes out soon enough.
Pappu, then why no to plan for another letter campaign, if that is what making things work a little bit.
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nonimmi
08-13 03:56 PM
I believe some top-level IV core members are EB3-I with PD 2003-04. So it is hard to believe that they are not worried watching "U" month after month and don't want to do anything about it. But as IV-Core they can not just do something for EB3-I. We need to find a way to fix this issue without creating another subgroup for EB3-I and take advantage of IV movement.
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Milind123
09-13 07:55 PM
milind123...
U r doing a great job... I am sure we will have many first time contributors get inspired by your fabulous initiative!
GO IV!!!
Thank you vandanaverdia. People who have never contributed please take this chance to contribute. Just need two more people to help me equal my yesterday's personal contribution.
BTW why is the third person the most difficult to get? If my memory serves me correct, it is easy to start a round and also close it. Where are you 'the elusive third'?
U r doing a great job... I am sure we will have many first time contributors get inspired by your fabulous initiative!
GO IV!!!
Thank you vandanaverdia. People who have never contributed please take this chance to contribute. Just need two more people to help me equal my yesterday's personal contribution.
BTW why is the third person the most difficult to get? If my memory serves me correct, it is easy to start a round and also close it. Where are you 'the elusive third'?
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test101
07-24 04:40 PM
Even if you are RN licenes and educated in the USA. You still need a visa screen. I had to apply for visa screen. In my case it took only 1 week to get it. you can apply on line and send your documents. I'm not sure about the EAD though. YOu may wwant to post your question on the free Consultaion thread.
www.cgfns.org
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Keeme
03-04 12:34 PM
Not sure if something is cooking at USCIS, last week an USCIS office called my attroney to get clarification on why we (my wife and I) are residing at separate addresses. We are in the process of relocation (company moved), my wife chose to continue her employment while she's searching for opportunities in the new location. The officer stated that they are trying to adjudicate the cases ASAP, hence he's inquiring to ensure there isnt any marriage fraud. My attorney responsed back will all the possible evidence to proved we are together.
Has anyone had a similar experience.
My PD: Aug 2004
Cat: EB3 India.
A soft LUD today 03/04 on my/wife's I-485 application.
I see lot of cases of EB2-I with PDs of 2005/06 and EB3- I with PDs 2003/04 have recentely received LUDs/RFEs.
Let's wait what next visa bulletin says !
Any one else with recent LUDs on their I-485s ?
Has anyone had a similar experience.
My PD: Aug 2004
Cat: EB3 India.
A soft LUD today 03/04 on my/wife's I-485 application.
I see lot of cases of EB2-I with PDs of 2005/06 and EB3- I with PDs 2003/04 have recentely received LUDs/RFEs.
Let's wait what next visa bulletin says !
Any one else with recent LUDs on their I-485s ?
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Bogdan
06-02 04:26 PM
Also wanted to point out that the "dual intent" provision of the H1-B will be removed by this new CIR bill which will make matters worse for the people with I-485 pending as those applications can be rejected based on that.:(
More bad news for the legals
This is not true. I-485 will never be rejected based on that. However, you might need to show you have strong ties with your home country if you ask for an H1-B at the consulate abroad.
More bad news for the legals
This is not true. I-485 will never be rejected based on that. However, you might need to show you have strong ties with your home country if you ask for an H1-B at the consulate abroad.
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bskrishna
07-11 11:54 AM
I am of the opinion that the dates might retrogress to somewhere in 2005 June as the worst case (by Oct-Nov), because the 05 numbers should really be low to start with due to PERM issues. Again this is just my educated guess.
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pappu
07-18 11:59 AM
IV action alert $50 per month recurring contribution drive.
Dear IV members,
IV has had its first big success this year and we should all be proud of what we can all do. We worked hard and left no stone unturned to get this relief for our members. During the last few days there has been some movement on the National Defense Authorization Act and work on DREAM and SKIL provisions. While we were fully focused on the 485 relief, we did not lose sight of the developments. We have built a positive momentum and have been getting positive signals from key lawmakers. It is now upto us how we can seize the opportunity and focus on the lobbying efforts on legislative front. After seeing the overwhelming support of our members we are also encouraged to move ahead with full steam and explore the possibility of our provisions in the upcoming legislative activities. We also need to explore any other future movement on legislative front. Please join us in this struggle by signing up for $50 or more per month recurring contributions. This minimum amount is important for us to accomplish the kind of results we all desire. The failure of CIR and the political climate against immigration are making the task difficult but not impossible.
Monthly $50 sign ups will enable us to have a better idea on the funds for the coming months and we can plan our efforts better.
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44
Thanks again for your continued support.
IV team
P.S. After our success with the visa bulletin, our opponents, other organizations and people in DC know that IV has arrived. Congrats everyone.
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" Kapoor says he has spent about $64,000 of his own money in the last 19 months, largely on travel to and from Washington."
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070718_012859.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _businessweek+exclusives
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Message from Pappu:
Yes this is not a typo. This is true. Aman has made more financial sacrifices and time sacrifices than anyone else. Not a single penny has been reimbursed to him for his trips to DC, food and stay in DC or car rental in DC. He even risked his job and went to DC on unpaid leave at critical times because lobbying was important for getting our work done. We in the core team know this and when we see the kind of contributions we get from members, we feel disappointed that our efforts are not valued. When we started the $20 contributions people felt $20 was too high and wanted $10 per month or less. The kind of work and effort that is needed to push a single provision is phenomenal and needs lot of capital. The more the better. Sometimes reading posts that say IV core is selfish also disappoints us. People do not know the effort that goes in getting anything done. This website is simply a tool for us to communicate to everyone. The big effort is the lobbying work. We hope the Buisnessweek article helps people realize our hard work and people value it by contributing to it and helping us in all action items.
Dear IV members,
IV has had its first big success this year and we should all be proud of what we can all do. We worked hard and left no stone unturned to get this relief for our members. During the last few days there has been some movement on the National Defense Authorization Act and work on DREAM and SKIL provisions. While we were fully focused on the 485 relief, we did not lose sight of the developments. We have built a positive momentum and have been getting positive signals from key lawmakers. It is now upto us how we can seize the opportunity and focus on the lobbying efforts on legislative front. After seeing the overwhelming support of our members we are also encouraged to move ahead with full steam and explore the possibility of our provisions in the upcoming legislative activities. We also need to explore any other future movement on legislative front. Please join us in this struggle by signing up for $50 or more per month recurring contributions. This minimum amount is important for us to accomplish the kind of results we all desire. The failure of CIR and the political climate against immigration are making the task difficult but not impossible.
Monthly $50 sign ups will enable us to have a better idea on the funds for the coming months and we can plan our efforts better.
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44
Thanks again for your continued support.
IV team
P.S. After our success with the visa bulletin, our opponents, other organizations and people in DC know that IV has arrived. Congrats everyone.
=========================
" Kapoor says he has spent about $64,000 of his own money in the last 19 months, largely on travel to and from Washington."
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070718_012859.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _businessweek+exclusives
========================
Message from Pappu:
Yes this is not a typo. This is true. Aman has made more financial sacrifices and time sacrifices than anyone else. Not a single penny has been reimbursed to him for his trips to DC, food and stay in DC or car rental in DC. He even risked his job and went to DC on unpaid leave at critical times because lobbying was important for getting our work done. We in the core team know this and when we see the kind of contributions we get from members, we feel disappointed that our efforts are not valued. When we started the $20 contributions people felt $20 was too high and wanted $10 per month or less. The kind of work and effort that is needed to push a single provision is phenomenal and needs lot of capital. The more the better. Sometimes reading posts that say IV core is selfish also disappoints us. People do not know the effort that goes in getting anything done. This website is simply a tool for us to communicate to everyone. The big effort is the lobbying work. We hope the Buisnessweek article helps people realize our hard work and people value it by contributing to it and helping us in all action items.
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Goto Top. Guys, can we make this thread STICKY ?
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07-28 01:30 PM
Folks ,
Any approvals for the month of June ? Is there any hope for June filers ? There seems to lot of approvals since last 2 weeks folks . Can IV core provide some direction and guidance to the people stuck at Atlanta service center ?
Any approvals for the month of June ? Is there any hope for June filers ? There seems to lot of approvals since last 2 weeks folks . Can IV core provide some direction and guidance to the people stuck at Atlanta service center ?
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nlssubbu
10-01 12:25 PM
Macaca, thanks for the analysis.
My question is, is IV paying enough attention to this?
What I have seen is that IV is spending 80% of its energy to change the current immigration law (increase the EB visa numbers in some fashion etc.). As far as I can see, this is not going any where due to a variety of reasons.
Is it time to rethink our priorities? If we put more of our collective energy to force USCIS to do a better job, will we get better results? Sure, the immigration law needs fixing. But our predicament is not due to immigration law. Our predicament is that the USCIS is not doing a good job. They are only working 4 hours a day. (I saw a post from a person who went and looked around the USCIS parking lot on a Friday :D. He/She says the parking lot was empty in the afternoon.).
I suggest that the IV core spend 80% of energy in fixing the USCIS bottleneck. We should have another rally infront of the USCIS doorsteps (or a flower campaign or a card campaign or a degree copy sending campaign). 20% of the energy can still be spent on fixing immigration law.
I do not think that USCIS bottleneck alone could cause such a huge retrogression. I do agree that USCIS should increase their efficiency and should not waste visa every year. Though it is definite that using all the visas allocated efficiently will help, this alone do not reduce retrogression to a greater extent.
IV is looking in the right direction in the long term. I am of the opinion that, we as affected by the USCIS, can take it up to make them accountable for the loss.
Thanks
My question is, is IV paying enough attention to this?
What I have seen is that IV is spending 80% of its energy to change the current immigration law (increase the EB visa numbers in some fashion etc.). As far as I can see, this is not going any where due to a variety of reasons.
Is it time to rethink our priorities? If we put more of our collective energy to force USCIS to do a better job, will we get better results? Sure, the immigration law needs fixing. But our predicament is not due to immigration law. Our predicament is that the USCIS is not doing a good job. They are only working 4 hours a day. (I saw a post from a person who went and looked around the USCIS parking lot on a Friday :D. He/She says the parking lot was empty in the afternoon.).
I suggest that the IV core spend 80% of energy in fixing the USCIS bottleneck. We should have another rally infront of the USCIS doorsteps (or a flower campaign or a card campaign or a degree copy sending campaign). 20% of the energy can still be spent on fixing immigration law.
I do not think that USCIS bottleneck alone could cause such a huge retrogression. I do agree that USCIS should increase their efficiency and should not waste visa every year. Though it is definite that using all the visas allocated efficiently will help, this alone do not reduce retrogression to a greater extent.
IV is looking in the right direction in the long term. I am of the opinion that, we as affected by the USCIS, can take it up to make them accountable for the loss.
Thanks
regacct
05-03 08:09 AM
Got to step it up with Sen Brown and Sen LeMieux, along with Sen Cornyn!
kdprasad
07-06 01:49 PM
I dont understand how organizations like DOS , USCIS can do such
Ping-pong childish things in their official website.
Save us God !
This shows that they are preparing for the legal fight!! Covering up as much as they can.
Ping-pong childish things in their official website.
Save us God !
This shows that they are preparing for the legal fight!! Covering up as much as they can.
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